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Count of Rochefort (The man from Meung): The man with the scar who was just like the musketeers, except for his master

The Count of Rochefort and subterranean values: in The Three Musketeers, the cardinal’s agent who humiliates d’Artagnan at Meung, steals his letter and helps kidnap Constance ends up as his friend. Matza and Sykes explained that delinquents do not hold different values: they seek the adventure, risk and challenge that respectable society also admires. Rochefort and the musketeers wanted the same things.

Poster of Conde de Rochefort, villain from The Three Musketeers
The Three Musketeers · Literature
Count of Rochefort
alias El hombre de Meung

The Three Musketeers begins with an insult. At an inn in Meung, in 1625, the young d’Artagnan, newly arrived from Gascony with a letter of introduction for the captain of the musketeers, sees a dark gentleman with a scar on his temple laughing at his yellow horse. He challenges him, is beaten by the man’s servants and wakes up without his letter. The man is the Count of Rochefort, Cardinal Richelieu’s confidential agent. For the rest of the novel he appears at the worst moments: he meets Milady at Meung, takes part in the intrigue around the queen, and helps the cardinal’s men abduct Constance Bonacieux, the queen’s seamstress whom d’Artagnan loves. D’Artagnan spends the whole book hunting “the man from Meung”. At the end, after the cardinal has given d’Artagnan his commission, the two finally settle their quarrel. The epilogue tells that they fought three times and that d’Artagnan wounded him three times; then they embraced and became friends. In the sequel, Twenty Years After, Rochefort, who has been imprisoned by Mazarin, takes the side of the Fronde and dies in a street fight by d’Artagnan’s sword.

// The theoryThe values that hide underneath

In 1961, four years after their famous article on neutralization, David Matza and Gresham Sykes published “Juvenile Delinquency and Subterranean Values”. Their question was what delinquents actually want, if they share society’s norms. Their answer: they want things everybody wants. They pursue excitement, adventure, kicks; they show disdain for work and routine; they value toughness and masculine aggression; and they like spending money conspicuously. None of these values is foreign to respectable society. They are subterranean: present, admired, celebrated in films and novels, but kept for leisure, sport and war. The delinquent’s fault, Matza and Sykes argued, is not that he holds strange values, but that he lives them at the wrong time and in the wrong place. The difference between a hero and a delinquent often depends less on what they value than on who authorizes them to act on it.

In a nutshell

The thesis of David Matza and Gresham Sykes, “Juvenile Delinquency and Subterranean Values” (1961)

The values behind much juvenile delinquency are far less deviant than they are commonly portrayed.

Key concept

Two sides of the same culture

Dumas’s novel is a perfect laboratory for this theory, because its heroes are, by modern standards, delinquents. The musketeers duel in defiance of royal edicts, they drink and gamble away money they do not have, Porthos lives off a married woman’s purse, d’Artagnan seduces Milady’s maid to get information, and all four regard work as beneath them. They are celebrated because they act for the king and the queen. Rochefort holds exactly the same values: courage, loyalty to his lord, the pleasure of the intrigue and the duel. His crimes—the theft of the letter, the abduction of Constance—are the same kind of acts the musketeers commit for their side. The novel’s moral line runs not between different values, but between different masters. That is why the reconciliation at the end feels natural. Once the war between their lords is over, nothing separates them.

// The subjectThe professional of the shadows

Rochefort is a secondary villain, but a memorable one. He is a nobleman, brave, loyal and discreet, the kind of man the cardinal trusts with delicate missions. He never shows the cruelty of Milady or the fanaticism of Felton. He does his job, and his job happens to place him against the heroes. His most recognizable features are physical: the scar, the cold smile at Meung. In the later novels, Dumas fills in the portrait of a man who has served one master all his life and is thrown away by the next, Mazarin, who keeps him in the Bastille. His decision to join the Fronde is not a moral conversion. It is the choice of another side for the same appetite for action.

Count of Rochefort

The man from Meung · The Three Musketeers
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The scar from MeungAbducts ConstanceFrom enemy to friend
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// The crackShared values, different victims

The theory of subterranean values was written about working-class adolescents in American cities, not about seventeenth-century nobles. Applied to Rochefort, it explains the similarity between villain and heroes very well, and his particular crimes less well: those come from his loyalty to the cardinal, which belongs to theories of obedience and of state crime. The abduction of Constance is not a thrill-seeking adventure; it is a political operation against a woman whose only fault is to serve the queen.

The theory also points to an uncomfortable fact about the novel’s readers. We celebrate the musketeers’ duels, drinking and contempt for rules because we like their side, and we condemn the same acts in Rochefort because we do not. Rochefort chose to steal, to deceive and to help abduct a woman. What Matza and Sykes add is that the line between hero and villain, in Dumas as in life, is often drawn by the side one serves rather than by the values one holds.

Why it matters

Adventure with or without a license

Research inspired by Matza and Sykes has shown that many young offenders are drawn to crime by the same things that draw others to extreme sports, military service or action films: excitement, risk and the chance to prove themselves. Cultural criminologists, such as Jack Katz and Stephen Lyng, later studied the “seductions” of crime and “edgework” in that light. The practical lesson is that preventing some kinds of offending means offering legitimate outlets for those appetites rather than pretending they do not exist. Rochefort and d’Artagnan had the same hunger for adventure. Only one of them had a commission from the king.

In short

Three key ideas

  • The theory of subterranean values (Matza and Sykes, 1961) holds that delinquents pursue values respectable society also holds (excitement, adventure, toughness, contempt for routine), only at the wrong time and place.
  • The Count of Rochefort, Richelieu’s agent, humiliates d’Artagnan at Meung, steals his letter and helps abduct Constance. At the end they fight three times and become friends; in Twenty Years After he joins the Fronde and dies by d’Artagnan’s sword.
  • The crack: the theory explains why villain and heroes are so alike, not his political crimes, which come from loyalty to the cardinal. Even so, the abduction of Constance was a choice.

Sources · further reading

  • Matza, D. and Sykes, G. M. (1961). “Juvenile Delinquency and Subterranean Values”. American Sociological Review, 26(5), 712-719.
  • Katz, J. (1988). Seductions of Crime: Moral and Sensual Attractions in Doing Evil. Basic Books.
  • Lyng, S. (1990). “Edgework: A Social Psychological Analysis of Voluntary Risk Taking”. American Journal of Sociology, 95(4), 851-886.
  • Dumas, A. (1844). Les Trois Mousquetaires.

Case-file questionsFrequently asked questions

Who is Conde de Rochefort?

Conde de Rochefort (“El hombre de Meung”) is a villain from The Three Musketeers, analysed on KRIMINIS through the lens of criminology. They fought three times and d’Artagnan wounded him all three.

Why does Count of Rochefort (The man from Meung) become a villain?

The Count of Rochefort and subterranean values: in The Three Musketeers, the cardinal’s agent who humiliates d’Artagnan at Meung, steals his letter and helps kidnap Constance ends up as his friend. Matza and Sykes explained that delinquents do not hold different values: they seek the adventure, risk and challenge that respectable society also admires. Rochefort and the musketeers wanted the same things.

Which criminological theory explains Conde de Rochefort?

Conde de Rochefort's case is analysed through Subterranean values. David Matza and Gresham Sykes’s theory of subterranean values (1961) holds that young delinquents do not have a morality opposed to society’s: they pursue values that respectable society also holds, although it reserves them for leisure—excitement, adventure, toughness, contempt for routine. The Count of Rochefort, the cardinal’s agent in The Three Musketeers, is the heroes’ mirror image: duels, intrigues, loyalty to a lord and a taste for danger. Dumas makes him a villain because of his side, and a friend when the side changes. The theory explains why it is so easy to cross from one to the other.

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